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Bada- what shia actually believe & their claims

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Muhammad Tazin

Bada- what shia actually believe & their claims
« on: July 23, 2017, 09:23:21 PM »
Bada is one of the deviant beliefs of Twelver Shia clan.

Simply we know that, according to this belief, new info comes into the mind/knowledge of Allah or Allah changes his decision observing result of any incident. {Nauzubillah}
There are several narrations available in Shia books about bada, some are harmonizing to the above stated definition.

But I see that, Shia of present day denies that theme, they say that- Badaa means something become clear or appear to the Creation/mankind, not in the mind or decision of Allah. They also claim that, they believe in Taqdir and Alla all-knowing of each and everything to occur.
 here are some of their articles-
http://www.shiapen.com/comprehensive/bada/in-quran.html
https://www.al-islam.org/shia-rebuts-sayyid-rida-husayni-nasab/question-15-what-is-bada-and-why-do-you-believe-it#conclusion
https://www.al-islam.org/justice-god-sayyid-saeed-akhtar-rizvi/knowledge-god#b-theory-bada

Before analyzing the explanations of Ayat of Quran provided by Shia in support of Bada, we have to clear the point what they really believe about Bada

Hani

Re: Bada- what shia actually believe & their claims
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2017, 02:24:01 AM »
Ancient Shia believed in it heavily, this matter is similar to Tahrif, their ancestors held it but the more they evolved the more their thinkers and leaders abandoned these problematic beliefs. Bada' was mainly used to make excuses for the divine appointment of certain individuals and not others or the abrupt change of rulings. Similarly, Taqiyyah was the excuse as to why their narrations conflict heavily. Tahrif was their excuse as to why the Imams and their virtues aren't in the Qur'an.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Hadrami

Re: Bada- what shia actually believe & their claims
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2017, 02:42:14 AM »
Ancient Shia believed in it heavily, this matter is similar to Tahrif, their ancestors held it but the more they evolved the more their thinkers and leaders abandoned these problematic beliefs. Bada' was mainly used to make excuses for the divine appointment of certain individuals and not others or the abrupt change of rulings. Similarly, Taqiyyah was the excuse as to why their narrations conflict heavily. Tahrif was their excuse as to why the Imams and their virtues aren't in the Qur'an.
Shia, the religion of excuses. You started a thread about it - http://forum.twelvershia.net/general-sunni-vs-shia/a-religion-of-excuses-and-reactions/
« Last Edit: July 24, 2017, 06:09:28 AM by Hadrami »

Muhammad Tazin

Re: Bada- what shia actually believe & their claims
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2017, 09:36:18 AM »
Is the Shia-pen article worth of refuting?

 

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