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Sunni Shia Discussion Forum => General Sunni-Shia => Topic started by: ummahboard.com on October 08, 2016, 06:04:40 PM
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Are the Shia Disbelievers? | Analysis (& Comment on Imran Hosein)
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Ruling: Saying 'Ali ( كرم الله وجهه ) ? Shaikh Fawzaan
http://ummahboard.com/showthread.php?1989-Videos-Sheikh-Saleh-al-Fawzan-Fatwa-Collection
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http://ummahboard.com/showthread.php?1989-Videos-Sheikh-Saleh-al-Fawzan-Fatwa-Collection/page5
post #43
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Afghan worshippers marking Ashoura targeted in Kabul
At least 14 people killed at Kabul shrine ahead of the holy day of Ashoura.
Shia pilgrims were targeted in the Afghan capital Kabul late on Tuesday with at least 14 people killed as they gathered to celebrate Ashoura, one of the most important festivals on the Shia-Muslim calendar.
At least one attacker was killed, interior ministry spokesman Sediq Sediqqi said, adding the assault was over.
http://ummahboard.com/showthread.php?2005-Afghan-worshippers-marking-Ashoura-targeted-in-Kabul
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Hamza Sodagar: Homosexuality is evil but I didn’t call for gays to be harmed
Posted by 5Pillars
The Islamic scholar at the centre of a row about his comments on homosexuality has told 5Pillars that he believes the practice is a great evil, but he rejects all attempts by individuals acting outside state authority to harm gays.
http://ummahboard.com/showthread.php?2006-Hamza-Sodagar-Homosexuality-is-evil-but-I-didn%92t-call-for-gays-to-be-harmed&p=8190#post8190
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Police called to Shia mosque in Luton as dispute rages over bloodletting ceremony
Posted by 5Pillars
Bedfordshire Police said they were evacuating and closing down a Shia mosque in Luton on Tuesday night over a dispute about the practice of zanjeer zani, or self-flagellation with blades.
Earlier in the day police had issued a warning that those who are found using an offensive weapon in a public place may be liable to prosecution. And Luton Borough Council had warned Masjid-e-Ali that flagellation poses a significant public health risk due the potential for transmission of blood-borne disease. The council also said self-flagellation was not covered by the mosque’s insurance policy and that they were concerned about the welfare of children and young people.
Nevertheless, witnesses told 5Pillars that the practice of self-flagellation with blades continued despite the police presence. However, later on officers attempted to evacuate the building and close down the mosque although no arrests were made. Although the situation remains unclear, it’s thought that Masjid-e-Ali will not be open today on the Day of Ashura.
http://ummahboard.com/showthread.php?2010-Police-called-to-Shia-mosque-in-Luton-as-dispute-rages-over-bloodletting-ceremony&p=8253#post8253
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More Western bombs won’t help Syria
Posted by 5Pillars
The Stop the War Coalition’s Lindsey German says Western military intervention to impose a no-fly zone in Syria would only make a bad situation worse.
Last weekend’s Stop the War conference was a big success. It attracted around 700 people who came together to discuss the wars which have raged for 15 years across Asia and the Middle East. It contained people who were involved in Stop the War from the very beginning, as well as young people from very diverse backgrounds. Speakers included trade union representatives, international guests, campaigners over drones and nuclear weapons and of course the Leader of the Opposition, Jeremy Corbyn.
http://ummahboard.com/showthread.php?2017-More-Western-bombs-won%92t-help-Syria&p=8353#post8353
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Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,
The title of this topic is extremely abhorrent. Shias are not disbelievers.
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In sum, the vast majority of those who identify with the term "shia" are.
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Video (Deviation): (Shia) Cursing & Defamation - The Satanic Religion of Shiism
http://ummahboard.com/showthread.php?2240-Video-(Deviation)-(Shia)-Cursing-amp-Defamation-The-Satanic-Religion-of-Shiism
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Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,
The title of this topic is extremely abhorrent. Shias are not disbelievers.
They are indeed
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Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,
The title of this topic is extremely abhorrent. Shias are not disbelievers.
wa'alaikumussalam wa rahmatullah.
maybe they are disbelievers according to some.
but did the holy prophet saw say they are?
any ayat from Quran to backup hadith/news with such a claim?
hope some1 can enlighten me.
i'm new to this forum.
peace.
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Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,
The title of this topic is extremely abhorrent. Shias are not disbelievers.
wa'alaikumussalam wa rahmatullah.
maybe they are disbelievers according to some.
but did the holy prophet saw say they are?
any ayat from Quran to backup hadith/news with such a claim?
hope some1 can enlighten me.
i'm new to this forum.
peace.
Salam,
I think only one or two members out of all members who joined this forum thinks they're disbelievers. We do not believe such a judgement can be made generally.
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Salaam alaykum wa rahmatullah,
The title of this topic is extremely abhorrent. Shias are not disbelievers.
wa'alaikumussalam wa rahmatullah.
maybe they are disbelievers according to some.
but did the holy prophet saw say they are?
any ayat from Quran to backup hadith/news with such a claim?
hope some1 can enlighten me.
i'm new to this forum.
peace.
Salam,
I think only one or two members out of all members who joined this forum thinks they're disbelievers.
salam
that surely clears some air.
We do not believe such a judgement can be made generally.
can u pls elaborate more. thank u bro.
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The forums have hundreds of members and I do not know anyone who believes in the general apostasy of Twelver Shia except the brother above.
As for the bit that required elaboration, well Shia come in all colors of the spectrum. It's not uncommon to come across a Shia adopting a beleif that takes one out of the folds of Islam according to the average Muslim.
Examples are: Shia who believe the Quran we have has been altered and distorted by the Companions in order to misguide the nation. Or Shia who believe that God gave the 12 Leaders complete control over the universe and its atoms so they are able to create, do miracles and see the unseen as they please.
Etc...
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thank q bro for taking the time to clarify.
may Allah guides us all to the true path.
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Good videos about the takfir of Shias:
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Examples are: Shia who believe the Quran we have has been altered and distorted by the Companions in order to misguide the nation. Or Shia who believe that God gave the 12 Leaders complete control over the universe and its atoms so they are able to create, do miracles and see the unseen as they please.
Etc...
salaam alaykum brother, just need a clarification, do you believe that those who have the beliefs you mentioned above to still be muslims?
or those issues don't take one outta the folds of Islam.
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This is a video from shaykh fawaan(hafidhahullâh) refuting those who says "the shia are our brothers"
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salam
I found this (http://shiapilgrim.blogspot.my/2015/08/who-named-shias-shia.html), saying (among other things):-
1. shias (of Ali) were present during the life time of Rasulullah saw.
2. What could possibly have prevented Rasulullah saw from stopping these people, from being Shias (of Ali), if indeed they were deviants?.
Any thoughts? tq.
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salaam alaykum brother, just need a clarification, do you believe that those who have the beliefs you mentioned above to still be muslims?
or those issues don't take one outta the folds of Islam.
Walaikum Salam wr wb,
No, he said those beliefs take one out of the fold of Islam.
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salam
I found this (http://shiapilgrim.blogspot.my/2015/08/who-named-shias-shia.html), saying (among other things):-
1. shias (of Ali) were present during the life time of Rasulullah saw.
2. What could possibly have prevented Rasulullah saw from stopping these people, from being Shias (of Ali), if indeed they were deviants?.
Any thoughts? tq.
Walaikum Salam wr wb,
Funny article.
None of the reports are reliable. They are from the weakest of reports and narrations. They also contradict established history that the Shias first appeared during the caliphate of Ali as his political supporters against Muawiyah. They were Sunni in their beliefs but Political Shiis totally different from the theological Shia sects we know today. They didn't exist and were known before that period. Tell the Shia to prove their authenticity. Thus, the two questions listed becomes void.
Ironically, we also have reports from Prophet (saw) who said "Uthman and his followers are the sucessful ones".
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Walaikum Salam wr wb,
No, he said those beliefs take one out of the fold of Islam.
alright akh, jazakallâh khayr
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salam
I found this (http://shiapilgrim.blogspot.my/2015/08/who-named-shias-shia.html), saying (among other things):-
1. shias (of Ali) were present during the life time of Rasulullah saw.
2. What could possibly have prevented Rasulullah saw from stopping these people, from being Shias (of Ali), if indeed they were deviants?.
Any thoughts? tq.
Walaikum Salam wr wb,
Funny article.
None of the reports are reliable. They are from the weakest of reports and narrations. They also contradict established history that the Shias first appeared during the caliphate of Ali as his political supporters against Muawiyah. They were Sunni in their beliefs but Political Shiis totally different from the theological Shia sects we know today. They didn't exist and were known before that period. Tell the Shia to prove their authenticity. Thus, the two questions listed becomes void.
Ironically, we also have reports from Prophet (saw) who said "Uthman and his followers are the sucessful ones".
Salam
so it boils down to proving the authenticity of reports/narrations that have reached us today.
i’m quoting from http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/Ulum/hadsciences.html:
.... “The methodology of the expert scholars of hadith in assessing the narrations and sorting out the genuine from the mistaken and fabricated, forms the subject matter of the science of hadith. In this article a brief discussion is given of the terminology and classifications of hadith”.....
IMO (which has no bearing whatsoever on Islam), this is a best effort man-made system: meaning it’s not flawless; it’s not perfect. But I believe, if the reports/narrations are fully endorsed by qur’anic verses, then no muslims can reject them bcos rejecting the truth witnessed by Quran means they are taken out from the fold of islam. Hence I think, my 2 previous questions from my first post in this thread, are quite relevant:
1. are they any reports/narrations, saying shias are disbelievers?
2. any qur’anic verses supporting the truthfullness of such report/narration?
If the answers to both is a big yes, it makes sense to me to call them disbelievers. Otherwise, to follow any fatwas with “Allah knows best” as their endings, is a risky business to one’s home in akhirat.
It will be comforting though if one can bring reports/narrations with qur'anic verse(s) witnessing their truth, that what one is upon, is the true path, before indulging in this takfir business, which benefits no one, imo.
Allah knows best.